Lead: STONEWALLING

Lead: STONEWALLING ← Previous revision Revision as of 18:07, 1 June 2026 Line 52: Line 52: :::::::::::You added only cherry-picked criticism for inclusion and demanded a proposal focused solely on criticism. I am going through the article from top to bottom and adding what I think is important enough for the lead; eventually we will reach the criticism. Why are you so hell-bent on including only controversies supported by single attributed sources? That is not [[WP:BALANCE]]; that is giving undue weight to controversies over facts supported by mainstream reliable sources. [[User:SheriffIsInTown|<b style="color: blue;">Sh</b><b style="color: red;">eri</b><b style="color: blue;">ff</b>]] | [[User talk:SheriffIsInTown|<b style="color: black;">☎ 911</b>]] | 19:15, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::You added only cherry-picked criticism for inclusion and demanded a proposal focused solely on criticism. I am going through the article from top to bottom and adding what I think is important enough for the lead; eventually we will reach the criticism. Why are you so hell-bent on including only controversies supported by single attributed sources? That is not [[WP:BALANCE]]; that is giving undue weight to controversies over facts supported by mainstream reliable sources. [[User:SheriffIsInTown|<b style="color: blue;">Sh</b><b style="color: red;">eri</b><b style="color: blue;">ff</b>]] | [[User talk:SheriffIsInTown|<b style="color: black;">☎ 911</b>]] | 19:15, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::And I see you reverted the recent expansion by me calling it minor, this is roadblock then, you cannot just include criticism because in my opinion that is even minor than what you just removed. Abbey Gate bombing was a big event, helping to apprehend the perpetrator is not minor, also it is not a minor for being the first army chief in 79 year history of Pakistan to be invited by US president on lunch. Trump's comment calling him his favorite field marshal is reported by many mainstream sources compared to controversies you are vouching to include which are supported by single semi-primary attributed sources. [[User:SheriffIsInTown|<b style="color: blue;">Sh</b><b style="color: red;">eri</b><b style="color: blue;">ff</b>]] | [[User talk:SheriffIsInTown|<b style="color: black;">☎ 911</b>]] | 19:24, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::And I see you reverted the recent expansion by me calling it minor, this is roadblock then, you cannot just include criticism because in my opinion that is even minor than what you just removed. Abbey Gate bombing was a big event, helping to apprehend the perpetrator is not minor, also it is not a minor for being the first army chief in 79 year history of Pakistan to be invited by US president on lunch. Trump's comment calling him his favorite field marshal is reported by many mainstream sources compared to controversies you are vouching to include which are supported by single semi-primary attributed sources. [[User:SheriffIsInTown|<b style="color: blue;">Sh</b><b style="color: red;">eri</b><b style="color: blue;">ff</b>]] | [[User talk:SheriffIsInTown|<b style="color: black;">☎ 911</b>]] | 19:24, 27 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::::{{tq|"You added only cherry-picked criticism for inclusion and demanded a proposal focused solely on criticism"}}, actually, I added criticism to the glowing lead you created over the last year while removing unfavorable information from the page overall. At this point, you are engaging in [[WP:STONEWALLING]] so unless you are able to move forward with a recommendation, BLPN or 3O is the next option. --[[User:CNMall41|CNMall41]] ([[User talk:CNMall41|talk]]) 18:07, 1 June 2026 (UTC) :::Actually, I see the argument for alleged versus factual [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive375#Asim_Munir here] which resulted in the inclusion of other information. BLPN will be a good start to revisit the same. --[[User:CNMall41|CNMall41]] ([[User talk:CNMall41|talk]]) 16:38, 25 May 2026 (UTC) :::Actually, I see the argument for alleged versus factual [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive375#Asim_Munir here] which resulted in the inclusion of other information. BLPN will be a good start to revisit the same. --[[User:CNMall41|CNMall41]] ([[User talk:CNMall41|talk]]) 16:38, 25 May 2026 (UTC) ::::No, it did not, the information was retained as-is, the new additions by the other editor were rejected. [[User:SheriffIsInTown|<b style="color: blue;">Sh</b><b style="color: red;">eri</b><b style="color: blue;">ff</b>]] | [[User talk:SheriffIsInTown|<b style="color: black;">☎ 911</b>]] | 14:20, 26 May 2026 (UTC) ::::No, it did not, the information was retained as-is, the new additions by the other editor were rejected. [[User:SheriffIsInTown|<b style="color: blue;">Sh</b><b style="color: red;">eri</b><b style="color: blue;">ff</b>]] | [[User talk:SheriffIsInTown|<b style="color: black;">☎ 911</b>]] | 14:20, 26 May 2026 (UTC)